"Paint.net and Photoshop aren't real art"

Debate serious and interesting topics, rant about politics or pop culture, or otherwise converse in essay form about your opinions. The rules of conduct here are a little stricter.
User avatar
Loquacious
Posts: 1764
Joined: 2008.09.26 (15:37)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/Guitar_Hero_Matt
Location: lacks whiskers of mass destruction.

Postby MattKestrel » 2008.11.18 (16:27)

So says my 16 yr old sister, taking an A level in Graphics. I completely disagree with her; it holds the same integrity and concepts as art when used for that purpose, only with some very different appparatus. She also says "Its just a bunch of pixels; anyone can do it". I completely disagree.

Do you agree in that art on a computer is inferior to art in the real world? Im interested in seeing whos in the right here.
Image

User avatar
Damn You're Fine
Posts: 384
Joined: 2008.09.19 (01:47)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/littleviking001
MBTI Type: INTP
Location: Southern California
Contact:

Postby LittleViking » 2008.11.18 (16:33)

The PYRAMIDS OF BOK+CHOY ceiling wasn't art, it was just a bunch of paint. Anyone could do that. Michelangelo's David wasn't art, it was just a bunch of rock. Rocks are everywhere. Shakespeare didn't make art, he just jumbled together letters. I'm using letters right now.
Image
The last Metroid is in captivity. The galaxy is at peace...

User avatar
Mr. Glass
Posts: 2019
Joined: 2008.09.27 (20:22)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/astheoceansblue
MBTI Type: ENTP
Location: up down left right start A start

Postby a happy song » 2008.11.18 (16:35)

GTM wrote:So says my 16 yr old sister, taking an A level in Graphics. I completely disagree with her; it holds the same integrity and concepts as art when used for that purpose, only with some very different appparatus. She also says "Its just a bunch of pixels; anyone can do it". I completely disagree.

Do you agree in that art on a computer is inferior to art in the real world? Im interested in seeing whos in the right here.
Reads like the kind of rebellious/ignorant/naive babblings of a teenager attempting to discover the values of things. We've all been through it to some degree. I wouldn't even bother trying to argue with her, she'll know best until she learns she doesn't know all that much of her own accord.

Good Art is Good Art. Regardless of the medium, it all takes an amount of natural talent and educated skill.
click sig :::
spoiler


n
::: astheoceansblue
::: My eight episode map pack: SUNSHINEscience
::: Map Theory: The Importance of Function & Form

-
M U S I C
::: The forest and the fire: myspace
::: EP available for FREE download, here.

-
A R T
::: Sig & Avatar Artwork by me - see here!

-
G A M I N G
::: Steam ID: 0:1:20950734
::: Steam Username: brighter


Postby Evil_Sire » 2008.11.18 (18:16)

ART BE EVERYWHERE.

User avatar
Cross-Galactic Train Conducter
Posts: 2354
Joined: 2008.09.27 (00:31)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/T3chno
MBTI Type: ENTJ
Location: foam hands
Contact:

Postby T3chno » 2008.11.18 (23:45)

dis post iz art.
art
1   /ɑrt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ahrt]
–noun
1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
10. a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.
11. arts,
a. (used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences.
b. (used with a plural verb) liberal arts.
12. skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature.
13. trickery; cunning: glib and devious art.
14. studied action; artificiality in behavior.
15. an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics.
16. Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.
"art." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 18 Nov. 2008. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/art>.
Image

User avatar
Doublemember
Posts: 68
Joined: 2008.11.19 (00:04)

Postby Deathconciousness » 2008.11.19 (00:11)

art is art if the artist defines it as such
I feel the top of the roof come off, kill everybody there as I'm watching all the stars burn out, trying to pretend that I care.

But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will

Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.

I just don't accept this at all.

Faces sweaty, arms and legs, what a glorious set of stairs we make.

We kill everyone with arrowheads, arrowheads, arrowheads. Thank god that's over.

Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 1596
Joined: 2008.09.26 (13:10)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/gloomp
MBTI Type: INTP
Location: Troy, New York
Contact:

Postby unoriginal name » 2008.11.19 (00:34)

Deathconciousness wrote:art is art if the artist defines it as such
EXXZACTZLY, and anyone can be the artist.

User avatar
Doublemember
Posts: 68
Joined: 2008.11.19 (00:04)

Postby Deathconciousness » 2008.11.19 (00:39)

anyone can be an artist. most people can be a good artist. a lot of people can be a great artist. very few reveal the art that is inside them.
I feel the top of the roof come off, kill everybody there as I'm watching all the stars burn out, trying to pretend that I care.

But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will

Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.

I just don't accept this at all.

Faces sweaty, arms and legs, what a glorious set of stairs we make.

We kill everyone with arrowheads, arrowheads, arrowheads. Thank god that's over.

Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir
Posts: 1561
Joined: 2008.09.26 (12:33)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/incluye
MBTI Type: ENTP
Location: USofA
Contact:

Postby otters » 2008.11.19 (00:44)

gloomp wrote:
Deathconciousness wrote:art is art if the artist defines it as such
EXXZACTZLY, and anyone can be the artist.
We have to draw the line somewhere, dude.
Image

User avatar
Doublemember
Posts: 68
Joined: 2008.11.19 (00:04)

Postby Deathconciousness » 2008.11.19 (00:49)

why should there be an arbitrary definition for art. if you dont like it, and someone calls it art, give them the finger and say its "bad art". therefore you can circumvent both extremes.
I feel the top of the roof come off, kill everybody there as I'm watching all the stars burn out, trying to pretend that I care.

But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will

Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.

I just don't accept this at all.

Faces sweaty, arms and legs, what a glorious set of stairs we make.

We kill everyone with arrowheads, arrowheads, arrowheads. Thank god that's over.

User avatar
Dance Dance Revolution Android
Posts: 881
Joined: 2008.09.28 (02:06)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/TribulatioN
MBTI Type: ESFP
Location: Canada

Postby TribulatioN » 2008.11.19 (00:54)

I believe that statement from your sister was said without much thought.
And that it was said for the sake of argument.
[ispoiler=http://i31.tinypic.com/111p9bo.png]gloomp : gloomp : Why Me : toasters : SkyRay : Slurpee@fpsbanana : KaMikA@Haklabs[/ispoiler]ImageImage[spoiler=Neditor Nation]Currently Challenging: lord_day
Image[/spoiler][spoiler=Puzzle of the Exuberant!]Image
Image
ImageImageImageImageImage[/spoiler]

Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 1596
Joined: 2008.09.26 (13:10)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/gloomp
MBTI Type: INTP
Location: Troy, New York
Contact:

Postby unoriginal name » 2008.11.19 (00:56)

incluye wrote:
gloomp wrote:
Deathconciousness wrote:art is art if the artist defines it as such
EXXZACTZLY, and anyone can be the artist.
We have to draw the line somewhere, dude.
No, we do not. The artist does. One may say he does not like the art the artist produced, but not that it is not art.

Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir
Posts: 1561
Joined: 2008.09.26 (12:33)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/incluye
MBTI Type: ENTP
Location: USofA
Contact:

Postby otters » 2008.11.19 (00:58)

gloomp wrote:
incluye wrote:[We have to draw the line somewhere, dude.
No, we do not. The artist does. One may say he does not like the art the artist produced, but not that it is not art.
Would you say a small iron cube is art? The sculptor said so.
Image

User avatar
Dance Dance Revolution Android
Posts: 881
Joined: 2008.09.28 (02:06)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/TribulatioN
MBTI Type: ESFP
Location: Canada

Postby TribulatioN » 2008.11.19 (01:04)

incluye wrote:
gloomp wrote:
incluye wrote:[We have to draw the line somewhere, dude.
No, we do not. The artist does. One may say he does not like the art the artist produced, but not that it is not art.
Would you say a small iron cube is art? The sculptor said so.
Sure, if that cube was made for the purpose of art, and no other, I'd say yes.
[ispoiler=http://i31.tinypic.com/111p9bo.png]gloomp : gloomp : Why Me : toasters : SkyRay : Slurpee@fpsbanana : KaMikA@Haklabs[/ispoiler]ImageImage[spoiler=Neditor Nation]Currently Challenging: lord_day
Image[/spoiler][spoiler=Puzzle of the Exuberant!]Image
Image
ImageImageImageImageImage[/spoiler]

User avatar
Doublemember
Posts: 68
Joined: 2008.11.19 (00:04)

Postby Deathconciousness » 2008.11.19 (01:04)

the sculptor is a pretentious idiot who wants attention and money, that's what it is.
I feel the top of the roof come off, kill everybody there as I'm watching all the stars burn out, trying to pretend that I care.

But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will

Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.

I just don't accept this at all.

Faces sweaty, arms and legs, what a glorious set of stairs we make.

We kill everyone with arrowheads, arrowheads, arrowheads. Thank god that's over.

User avatar
The Rose in Spanish Harlem
Posts: 138
Joined: 2008.09.26 (05:49)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/
Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Contact:

Postby DemonzLunchBreak » 2008.11.19 (01:38)

It's tricky to define art. If you say that anything created by someone who intends it to be art is art, then you get those postmodern d-bags who think that this kind of thing is art. If you define art as something which produces aesthetic pleasure in a viewer, then art is entirely subjective. This definition fails (I think) at identifying something which is clearly art, but not good art.

Also, if nature produced a beautiful painting without human intervention, then would that be art?
Image
post count on the old forums: 1,241

User avatar
Retrofuturist
Posts: 3131
Joined: 2008.09.19 (06:55)
MBTI Type: ENTP
Location: California, USA
Contact:

Postby t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư » 2008.11.19 (02:28)

GTM wrote:So says my 16 yr old sister, taking an A level in Graphics. I completely disagree with her; it holds the same integrity and concepts as art when used for that purpose, only with some very different appparatus. She also says "Its just a bunch of pixels; anyone can do it". I completely disagree.

Do you agree in that art on a computer is inferior to art in the real world? Im interested in seeing whos in the right here.
Your sister is an idiot.
Lemme have her phone number; I want to berate her.
[spoiler="you know i always joked that it would be scary as hell to run into DMX in a dark ally, but secretly when i say 'DMX' i really mean 'Tsukatu'." -kai]"... and when i say 'scary as hell' i really mean 'tight pink shirt'." -kai[/spoiler][/i]
spoiler

Image


Ice Cold
Posts: 203
Joined: 2008.09.27 (05:04)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/turtles

Postby Turtle » 2008.11.19 (02:30)

I disagree with your sister. Computer art is not inferior.

User avatar
Cross-Galactic Train Conducter
Posts: 2354
Joined: 2008.09.27 (00:31)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/T3chno
MBTI Type: ENTJ
Location: foam hands
Contact:

Postby T3chno » 2008.11.19 (03:00)

incluye wrote:
gloomp wrote:
Deathconciousness wrote:art is art if the artist defines it as such
EXXZACTZLY, and anyone can be the artist.
We have to draw the line somewhere, dude.
And that line is Paint.NET. Everything else is art.
Image

User avatar
Slice of Wisdom
Posts: 417
Joined: 2008.09.26 (20:30)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/notkitt
Location: ewww

Postby notsteve » 2008.11.19 (03:42)

i agree that paint.net isnt art
but i like art
Image

User avatar
Hawaii Five-Oh
Posts: 921
Joined: 2008.09.26 (05:49)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/condog_111
MBTI Type: ISTJ
Location: Melbourne-ish

Postby Condog » 2008.11.19 (03:48)

Well shit, what does your sister define art as? Oil on canvas? It's just a bunch of paint, anyone can do it.

Also, on the subject of the definition of art (originally from SMBC, but i couldn't find the link):
Attachments
Art.png
Art
Image

Ice Climbers are awesome. Deal with it.

User avatar
Doublemember
Posts: 68
Joined: 2008.11.19 (00:04)

Postby Deathconciousness » 2008.11.19 (04:59)

again if you want to be a pretentious douchebag, then yes that is art condog (not saying you are).

its just horrible art.
I feel the top of the roof come off, kill everybody there as I'm watching all the stars burn out, trying to pretend that I care.

But I didn't, no-one ever does, and I would, no-one ever will

Can't you see it's all flown out of my hands and our clothes are all too often ripped and our teeth are all too often gnashed and it lasts as long as it possibly can but I just don't accept this.

I just don't accept this at all.

Faces sweaty, arms and legs, what a glorious set of stairs we make.

We kill everyone with arrowheads, arrowheads, arrowheads. Thank god that's over.

User avatar
Average Time to Take Breakfast in Equador
Posts: 640
Joined: 2008.09.27 (03:11)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/geti
MBTI Type: ENFJ
Contact:

Postby Geti » 2008.11.19 (05:00)

http://www.deviantart.com/#catpath=digitalart&order=9

you cant disagree with stuff like this, this, this, this, and this, to just give a few examples.
long story short: youre wrong, little girl.
spoiler

"I'd be happy for a lion if it hunted me down and ate me, but not so happy for it if it locked up me and my family, then forced us to breed so it may devour our offspring." - entwilight <3
How do you know that God didn't intend for humans to be the animals' caretakers? He might be appalled that He gave us these animals to use and we're fucking eating them. - Tsukatu
4th - DDA Speedrunning Contest.
One Hundred Percent Vegetarian

deviantArt Profile - 1BarDesign
God knows if i'm back.

User avatar
La historia me absolverá
La historia me absolverá
Posts: 2228
Joined: 2008.09.19 (14:27)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/maestro
MBTI Type: INTP
Location: Beijing
Contact:

Postby 乳头的早餐谷物 » 2008.11.19 (13:16)

Tsukatu wrote:
GTM wrote:So says my 16 yr old sister, taking an A level in Graphics. I completely disagree with her; it holds the same integrity and concepts as art when used for that purpose, only with some very different appparatus. She also says "Its just a bunch of pixels; anyone can do it". I completely disagree.

Do you agree in that art on a computer is inferior to art in the real world? Im interested in seeing whos in the right here.
Your sister is an idiot.
Lemme have her phone number; I want to berate her.
Yeah, I'd like her phone number to. You know, strictly for berating purposes.
M E A T N E T 1 9 9 2

Image

Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 1596
Joined: 2008.09.26 (13:10)
NUMA Profile: http://nmaps.net/user/gloomp
MBTI Type: INTP
Location: Troy, New York
Contact:

Postby unoriginal name » 2008.11.19 (14:21)

GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH GAH

Please, read this before trying to impose your boundaries on art.


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 19 guests