We Need to Stop Complaining About Ratings

[spudzalot]

Please people, please. Its just a number. It doesn't need to destroy your character or bring down our values. So:

I think we can stop re-submitting after getting lower then a 4 or when we didn't get enough rates. Even if it was from a snipe or somone thinking way too critically about our map.

I think we can stop commenting on peoples maps, when they forgot or decided not to rate our map, and then giving a half baked comment about that map.

I think we can stop getting mad at people when they rate lower then what we wanted and accept their criticism and improve.

I think we can stop saying that someone sniped us, when it was someones actually opinion, then requesting "antisnipes" from our peeps.

I think we can start thinking about are rates carefully and giving a fair number and then commenting about what that person needs to improve on.

I think we can all agree on this. Yes?

[TribulatioN]

I think I can agree, yes.

[sheganican]

i agree, yes.

anti-snipes are just as bad as snipes.

this community is too damn smart to let idiocy get the better of us so lets be honest when rating and try to think things through.

[Spawn of Yanni]

Hey, you've achieved transcendance.

[a happy song]

Transcendence is achieved via the ratings disabled button.

[Radium]

Transcendence is achieved via the ratings disabled button.

Ratings disabled is completely useless. It seems to me to be more of a statement, a "Haha I'm cool and wise because I don't care about ratings" thing rather than a "People won't understand how to rate this" thing.

Disabling ratings does nothing but reduce the amount of attention your maps receive.

[a happy song]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I am cool and wise and I don't care about ratings.

If your maps are good enough they'll receive attention regardless of how well they float.

[spudzalot]

Actually sometimes disabling ratings would actually help you get attention. Because if you are testing out a concept and its definately not the best map and you know people will rate it low then disabling would keep it on hot maps longer.

Also atob doesnt need to have ratings. He is popular enough that people will look 'em up to play his maps. Also comments > ratings. Which you seem to get more of if you disable ratings.

[epigone]

How about if everyone just does whatever they want, be it disable ratings, or not, and we all just shut up about it and get on with life. Enough is enough. Spudz, by making this topic you are only continuing dialogue on the subject. Just stop talking about ratings if they don't matter to you, and if they do matter to you, make better maps.

[Nexx]

How about if everyone just does whatever they want, be it disable ratings, or not, and we all just shut up about it and get on with life. Enough is enough. Spudz, by making this topic you are only continuing dialogue on the subject. Just stop talking about ratings if they don't matter to you, and if they do matter to you, make better maps.

That, right there, is a steaming pile of epigone FTW.

I'm saving that one.

[George]

We need to stop creating complaint threads that complain about other people who complain about ratings.

[SkyPanda]

Oldies are sick to death of this, but that's no reason the new folk can't discuss it. :/

[origami_alligator]

Oldies are sick to death of this, but that's no reason the new folk can't discuss it. :/

The fact of the matter is, the old threads that are about THIS SAME EXACT THING have people that have posted in them with your exact same ideas and thoughts on the subject, just with different usernames and a different kind of respect within the community.

But I have an idea:
Let's be silent about the issue and accept our NUMA ratings. I've been sniped before, do you know what I did about it? I laughed with people on IRC. Yeah, figure that concept out. I didn't ask for "anti-snipes" or for people to feel sorry for me. I LAUGHED ABOUT IT.

[MattKestrel]

Transcendence is achieved via the ratings disabled button.

Ratings disabled is completely useless. It seems to me to be more of a statement, a "Haha I'm cool and wise because I don't care about ratings" thing rather than a "People won't understand how to rate this" thing.

Disabling ratings does nothing but reduce the amount of attention your maps receive.

I agree with RF on this one, at least in his intended context. Its not as if disabling ratings is gonna increase the amount of attention a map gets in any stretch of the imagination. And whilst its alright for popular oldies like gloomp, yahoozy, evil bob, amlt, some people dont get attention that quickly.

Moving on, I agree with everything spudz has said, considering Ive done most of it at some point and regretted it, and want to repent.

[SkyPanda]

The fact of the matter is, the old threads that are about THIS SAME EXACT THING have people that have posted in them with your exact same ideas and thoughts on the subject, just with different usernames and a different kind of respect within the community.

Excuse me? When did I bring my personal ideas and thoughts to the table? I didn't, dude.
I know that the old hreads are all the same, hence me posting "we're sick of this".

I just think that it's still good for new folk to talk about it, because it means that everybody in the community gets the chance at some point to participate in discussion on the subject if they wish.

[Nexx]

Well SkyPanda has a point, so I will weigh in with more clarity.

Spudz, your first post isn't bad. Amen to it. Hopefully some members will learn from it.

The reason why epigone posted what he did is that generally people will do whatever they are going to do, and threads like this generate a lot of fruitless back-and-forth. Generally, if people are going to think about their ratings, then they are going to do it on their own, and, if not, they aren't, even with encouragement. Not to mention that a lot of noobs who make these errors on NUMA don't come to the forums. Plus, with atob's disabled ratings vs those that disagree with him, both sides are entrenched and are likely to remain entrenched. In any case, there are a lot of people in the general middle ground, and if this convinces 1 or 2 members to try to vote better, then I'd say it does more good than harm.

[Rikaninja]

lot's of different opinions here. I think I can agree with what Spudz says, but everyone has the right to have there own personal opinion.

[blue_tetris]

Transcendence is achieved via the ratings disabled button.

Ratings disabled is completely useless. It seems to me to be more of a statement, a "Haha I'm cool and wise because I don't care about ratings" thing rather than a "People won't understand how to rate this" thing.

Disabling ratings does nothing but reduce the amount of attention your maps receive.

When I was still making maps, I disabled ratings and tons of people still looked at them.

And if you say "That's because you're Dave!", it's important to note that I didn't become Dave by getting good ratings.

(Although I was number one on All Authors for a few months back in the great Templex-wellsj-blue_tetris wars.)

[Rikaninja]

You know Blue-Tetris. You should be excited that now you have 399 post. 400, well, that's a magor number. I don't have 200 yet. And I don't understand that Dave thing, what is it?

[George]

Perhaps Dave is his name?

Skypanda: The reason we don't any more threads like these is that people are basically repeating the content over and over again. We've already established (long ago) that ratings are an inaccurate way of assessing map quality. Subsequent threads which discuss this are essentially duplicates with new user names.

[SkyPanda]

Skypanda: The reason we don't any more threads like these is that people are basically repeating the content over and over again. We've already established (long ago) that ratings are an inaccurate way of assessing map quality. Subsequent threads which discuss this are essentially duplicates with new user names.

Hey George, oh we definately don't need the threads, but I think the reason we should let threads like these scooter along is because they:
-open up the issues to modern thought
-allow oldies to lecture and teach the newbies
-let the new generations participate, and come to their own conclusions

But you're alot more experienced here than me so you're probably being practical while i'm being idealistic. :p

[blackson]

Also comments > ratings. Which you seem to get more of if you disable ratings.

Well...

[MattKestrel]

Also comments > ratings. Which you seem to get more of if you disable ratings.

Thats like saying typing at this computer is keeping away tigers; since Im typing and theres no tigers around. Theres no correlation imo.

Perhaps its the fact that people who disable ratings have status OR are new (and people know that if a noob disables ratings, theyre smart enough to take criticism on board) and the character of the person disabling ratings generally leads to more attention?

[Rikaninja]

Tigers, wow. Who ever knew they loved comps so much? That's an interesting fact that I'm going to remember:BEG:

[epigone]

Tigers, wow. Who ever knew they loved comps so much? That's an interesting fact that I'm going to remember:BEG:

I'm not going to lock these threads, pointless as I think they are, if you guys can stay on topic and make relevant posts. But really, what the heck does this quoted text have anything to do with people complaining about ratings? You're making a dumb discussion dumber.

Anyway, Avarin is essentially right about why I posted what I did before. This is a never-ending argument, both sides are entrenched as he put it. The sooner we all accept that ratings are superfluous, the happier we'll all be.

Make maps because it's fun to make them, not because you want to be super popular and famous online. If you don't simply enjoy making maps what's the point of making them anyway? Chances are if you enjoy making maps, and you enjoy playing the maps you make, other people will start to notice that you're making fun maps. Then, a few drink later, you'll be Dave too.