Complaint

[amomentlikethis]

My comments keep getting removed on the current featured map, and I have quite high reason to believe that origami_alligator (the admin who featured the map) is doing it himself to defend the map he likes.

My first comment went something along the lines of:
This feels a lot like a BOBODAHOBO map but doesn't play half as good. I'm not really a fan of this.

After that was deleted, I made another comment; something along the lines of:
My post was removed? Since when are we not allowed to make comments on maps saying older maps have pulled off the concept far better?
I was being nice to rocket_thumped by not being fully negative about the map; but if I'm not allowed to comment in a nice way I'll have to do it like this. Apologies to r_t when he reads this:

This map is terrible in my opinion. The gameplay is really bad; the enemies didn't really do anything; and worse of all the map is cheatable.
This barely scrapes a 2/5 for me.

I've made several comments in the past on maps about how other, older maps have pulled off the same concept better... as have many other authors. As far as I'm aware, none of those comments have ever been removed; as in all fairness it's quite valid.

If this is some new rule on NUMA, could whoever made it please go through all my maps deleting such comments from them?
If not, could I please be told why my comments were deleted?

Heck, I'd understand it if ska's comment was removed as that complains about it not being feature-worthy. I thought we weren't allowed to do that?
Considering my first comment wasn't deleted until after his was posted, I think someone is being really bias against me here.

[sheganican]

Abuse of power must be a thing around here. You're not the only one who this has happened to, and it irritates me too.

ex. My username on the forums was changed to this simply for laughs. I was led to believe that i had the power to control what my username was, but i guess common, obvious rights like that are ignored in this community.

[Spawn of Yanni]

southpaw seems to be away at the moment; if this is happening as we speak then I don't think it's him. In any case, I don't support that sort of thing and you're certainly entitled to your opinion - this isn't the first featured map that hasn't been liked by someone. Negative comments are always floating about on featured maps (er, as you said).

In all honesty, that's not the main reason I'm posting here, I'll admit!

Abuse of power must be a thing around here. You're not the only one who this has happened to, and it irritates me too.

ex. My username on the forums was changed to this simply for laughs. I was led to believe that i had the power to control what my username was, but i guess common, obvious rights like that are ignored in this community.

You are such a little cunt.


To elaborate. Your name was first changed as a joke resulting from some thread about complaints where you were on the side of the complainer, I forget the exact context. The pun was obviously too amazing to miss for whoever changed your name, and so they went ahead with it. From that point on you have been fucking slandering admins and everything to do with administration left and right to no god-damn end and you certainly cannot possibly still be wondering why nobody has changed your name back.

Forum name changes are done on demand because you do have control over your username to an extent, but if you're a whiny little bitch whenever humanly possibly then it's highly unlikely that people who can change on you are going to smile on and say "hey, cute fellow, let's change it back". It was all a bit of fun but you chose to cunt out. Quit complaining about it.


"Abuse of power must be a thing here", he says. For fuck's sake.

[sheganican]

I'd like to think that the two of us can handle whatever dilemma there is without childish name-calling. As an admin, you should try to set an example.

[Spawn of Yanni]

I'd like to think you can begin to stop being a whiny so-and-so from this point on. I am setting an example to not put up with that sort of shit.

[origami_alligator]

AMLT, consider this:

rocket_thumped's map is featured.
rocket_thumped is a mod.
rocket_thumped therefore has the ability to delete comments.

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shenanigans, consider this:

when you're a productive member of the community, people like you.
complaining about the community constantly does not create a productive member. Rather, it creates a member who is too engrossed with what has not or what cannot been done with the forums/NUMA to make it your personal paradise. Complaining about the staff won't do anything: the staff have done more than you know to keep this place breathing, to keep it alive[/i], and you won't acknowledge that, ever. You think you wouldn't ever abuse your power were you admin/moderator? You think that we do it to spite you or others? Sure, maybe in some cases we have been known to do things to members on a whim. I was banned for starting a thread about masturbating, eganic. Did I start threads or make posts in other threads insulting the administration about their actions? No. You don't complain as much about other websites you visit, I imagine, so why all the effort to complain about this one?

People like you, shenanigan... it's people like you who are truly detrimental to the social aspect of the community. You complain because you cannot do anything to prevent power abuse. If you had the means to prevent power abuse, you would also abuse your power. That is something you cannot deny no matter how hard you try.

[aids]

AMLT, consider this:

rocket_thumped's map is featured.
rocket_thumped is a mod.
rocket_thumped therefore has the ability to delete comments.

This makes me feel that rocket_thumped does not deserve to be a mod.

[amomentlikethis]

AMLT, consider this:

rocket_thumped's map is featured.
rocket_thumped is a mod.
rocket_thumped therefore has the ability to delete comments.

It's times like this I wonder why people who haven't made maps in almost 3 months are moderators of NUMA.

If rocket_thumped is the guy who deleted my comments I think he should be de-modded. However I don't think it was him. Surely if you get a map featured, moderator or not, you'd comment on it thanking the guy who featured it; he hasn't done that.

[origami_alligator]

AMLT, consider this:

rocket_thumped's map is featured.
rocket_thumped is a mod.
rocket_thumped therefore has the ability to delete comments.

It's times like this I wonder why people who haven't made maps in almost 3 months are moderators of NUMA.

If rocket_thumped is the guy who deleted my comments I think he should be de-modded. However I don't think it was him. Surely if you get a map featured, moderator or not, you'd comment on it thanking the guy who featured it; he hasn't done that.

We see each other on IRC often enough that he'll thank me there next time him and I are on at the same time, I imagine.

To your first statement, would you say the same of lord_day then, AMLT? Let's just assume that lord_day still visited the website in the last 3 months though. Just because someone doesn't submit maps doesn't mean they don't browse NUMA. :/
Also, no, I'm not going to remove rocket_thumped. He's a fine moderator, regardless of whether he's deleting your comments or not. Just remember that it's really not that important whatever you have to say about his map. At this point I'd just drop the whole thing and move on because you're not going to win and it'll be pointless to continue this.

[amomentlikethis]

Just remember that it's really not that important whatever you have to say about his map. At this point I'd just drop the whole thing and move on because you're not going to win and it'll be pointless to continue this.

Right, so what you've basically said is that it's pointless criticizing maps as it means fuck all to anyone.
...and what you've also just said is that if a moderator/admin submits a map and someone says they don't like it, they have every right to remove their comment without question.

Whatever will happen next... "Ohi i don't like ur comment so i deleted it"... "Ohi i don't like ur map so i deleted it".

I liked it when atob was an administrator.

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As for the lord_day statement; I see him comment on maps almost every day. I don't think I've seen a comment on any map made by rocket_thumped in a long long time.
Surely moderators should be more involved with the community, no?
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the guy.

[aids]

southpaw, this is the wrong way to handle this situation. You can't just sweep it under the rug, because eventually you will go to get a glass of water in the middle of the night, and you'll step on it. And you wouldn't like that one bit.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

I would just like to say that it would be entirely inappropriate for a moderator to do what rocket_thumped is accused of having done and so if he has in fact done that then he should consider himself on some sort of warning. Abusive comments and spam should be deleted; legitimate criticism should not, even especially if you're a mod and it's your own map.

[a happy song]

I would just like to say that it would be entirely inappropriate for a moderator to do what rocket_thumped is accused of having done and so if he has in fact done that then he should consider himself on some sort of warning. Abusive comments and spam should be deleted; legitimate criticism should not, even especially if you're a mod and it's your own map.

This. ^

And some of you people really do need to drop the aggression. I know this community doesn't like to pussyfoot about issues, but there's absolutely zero need for the cunt calling.

[Spawn of Yanni]

I know this community doesn't like to pussyfoot about issues, but there's absolutely zero need for the cunt calling.

Alright, fair enough. My point still stands.

I don't know if this is grounds for removing anyone, yet. At least not until he says something about it. At the same time, I don't think it's something to just look over as "one of those things that happen" because "those things that happen" shouldn't really be happening anyway. Diminishing the value of comments on a map just for the sake of protecting him isn't really something I'd do, either.

[rocket_thumped]

I deleted amlt's comment because he linked to another map which is generally frowned upon on numa. Then I deleted the comments complaining about the deletion of comments, this being spam. I've done the same for everyone else on numa, I've very consistently been the most active moderator on numa. I've given much more than I've taken from numa, I'm saddened that my contributions have gone unnoticed.


AMLT, I do not play your maps, no. I used to, but the filler exceeds the treasures at this point and I've given up on going through your archive. That said, I do comment and play many many maps. I can safely say I've commented/rated/played 15 maps for every map I've submitted on numa.

[amomentlikethis]

I deleted amlt's comment because he linked to another map.

I linked to another map on a separate comment when asked what map I was on about. You haven't explained why you deleted my original comment.
I fail to see how my second post was spam, also. I began by asking why my original comment was removed, and then went on to criticize the map. I'd understand if you deleted my comment if it was just me asking why my comment was removed, but considering my post was at least 80% about the map itself I fail to see how you can class it as spam.

I've said nothing about you playing my maps; I've said I haven't seen any comments made by you at all in a long time. Heck, I didn't even know you were a moderator at first (which is obvious from this topic), so you can't be that active at all.

[otters~1]

As for the lord_day statement; I see him comment on maps almost every day.

Sorry; where exactly?

[a happy song]

I deleted amlt's comment because he linked to another map which is generally frowned upon on numa. Then I deleted the comments complaining about the deletion of comments, this being spam. I've done the same for everyone else on numa, I've very consistently been the most active moderator on numa. I've given much more than I've taken from numa, I'm saddened that my contributions have gone unnoticed.


AMLT, I do not play your maps, no. I used to, but the filler exceeds the treasures at this point and I've given up on going through your archive. That said, I do comment and play many many maps. I can safely say I've commented/rated/played 15 maps for every map I've submitted on numa.

r_t, AMLT's comments in no way warranted a deletion. I read every single one he made before they were taken down. You're being a little overzealous with your position here dude, and perhaps you're taking it a little too personally?

[Seneschal]

I deleted amlt's comment because he linked to another map which is generally frowned upon on numa.

Surely this is only in the context of advertising another (usually your own) map? Also, I thought it was possible to edit comments as well as delete them entirely, in which case surely you could have deleted the link without removing the criticism?

[origami_alligator]

I guess I didn't state my point clearly enough.

What I was trying to infer was that this is not the first time that comments have been deleted for less-than-justifiable reasons and AMLT isn't the only victim in this regard. I'm not going to remove the staff members based on a single incident which I don't even have proof on. (Notice that I'm guessing as to who is deleting the comments as well.Criticism on maps is fine and I encourage it, but there's a point at which you just stop complaining about everyone and move on if your criticism doesn't want to be heard by a moderator/admin. Such is the case with AMLT on NUMA; as is the case with shenanigans on the forums. Yanni is fed up with eganic and I'm fed up with AMLT and I'm sure we would both be happy as a bee if they could learn to just move on and stop caring when they are inconvenienced in some way.

You can continue wanting atob back as admin. He was a great admin and I admire the work he did. Unfortunately I'm not the one to sit around and try to please every person who comes along with a problem. I was put off from the beginning of this thread with your assumption that I was deleting your comments.

Also, I've decided to answer your questions from the OP directly.

If this is some new rule on NUMA, could whoever made it please go through all my maps deleting such comments from them?
If not, could I please be told why my comments were deleted?

This is not some new rule on NUMA and it never will be. The only rule is that moderators are supposed to delete comments which are offensive. Some moderator has found your comments to be offensive in some way. While I don't agree with the moderator who did this, there is nothing I can really do about it now except remove his status, which I'm not going to do. He puts a lot of time into NUMA, whether you see it or not. :/

Heck, I'd understand it if ska's comment was removed as that complains about it not being feature-worthy. I thought we weren't allowed to do that?

I am not some militant administrator. I'm not going to waste my time on NUMA deleting every comment that hints at negative feedback or disruptive behaviour. I deal with things when they become problems, not single incidents that will not happen again. I enforced the "not feature worthy" comment deletion because it was getting out of hand. Every other map was being torn to pieces by people who were unhappy with the decisions of the Reviewers. There were too many comments showing up in the modqueue to deal with in an afternoon and the general feeling toward the Featured Maps system was decreasing. People were flaming and trolling and arguing constantly and I needed that to stop because it was detrimental to the social aspect of the website and the workload to deal with people complaining was becoming too much to handle.
So, yes, you can state that you don't think a map is feature-worthy. I'm just less happy when people start arguing about the "worthiness" of a Featured map.

I've made several comments in the past on maps about how other, older maps have pulled off the same concept better... as have many other authors. As far as I'm aware, none of those comments have ever been removed; as in all fairness it's quite valid.

I don't think that was the reason your comments were deleted. I believe it's that you rarely say anything constructive about the map. It's always about how you didn't like the map, or how the concept was pulled off better in a map you played in 2006, or else you simply leave a demo. I see enough comments from everyone to know how you work, AMLT. Just because you leave one constructive comment about how to improve a map doesn't mean anything for the 99 non-constructive comments about nothing. If you had told rocket_thumped how you would have enjoyed the map more rather than simply dismissing it as an inferior attempt at a concept you saw done by BOBODAHOBO, I'm sure this would be a different story altogether. Mind you, I'm not trying to defend rocket_thumped's actions, and I won't because it's his issue to deal with, but there are things which you could try to do to be more productive and constructive rather than dismissive and agitating.
Also, I saw that BOBODAHOBO map you supposedly linked and have concluded that the concept is completely different. I don't know how you can make a comparison other than, "They both have one-ways placed such that the enemies can see you in all parts of the map." The enemies, gameplay and build are all dissimilar which makes me wonder how you came to the conclusion that they played similarly.

:/

[otters~1]

Incidentally, is here a good place to mention that jerrod got angry at me one time on IRC and deleted like 14 of my comments on the Hot Maps page? He's the best Mod by far (sorry sidke).

Also lol pawz.

[rocket_thumped]

Also, I thought it was possible to edit comments as well as delete them entirely, in which case surely you could have deleted the link without removing the criticism?

No, editing is not possible.

r_t, AMLT's comments in no way warranted a deletion. I read every single one he made before they were taken down. You're being a little overzealous with your position here dude, and perhaps you're taking it a little too personally?

It was a judgment call, I made it. And no, I don't think so.

Incidentally, is here a good place to mention that jerrod got angry at me one time on IRC and deleted like 14 of my comments on the Hot Maps page? He's the best Mod by far (sorry sidke).

All in good fun, buddy.

[amomentlikethis]

Sorry; where exactly?

Do I really have to get you some links?
Each week I see at least 4 or 5 l_d comments.
In terms of r_t commenting vs. l_d commenting, I honestly can't remember seeing a r_t comment in ages, however I often see l_d comments - this doesn't mean he doesn't comment, it means I don't see them.
If I'm fully honest I thought r_t quit years ago.

This isn't really the point in this topic though. I'm just complaining about my comments getting unfairly removed.

It was a judgment call, I made it. And no, I don't think so.

That doesn't explain why you deleted my original comment.

[a happy song]

It was a judgment call, I made it. And no, I don't think so.

Well, you are being overzealous. If you honestly cannot see that then I don't think you're good for the position.

While I may no longer be admin on NUMA, I'm pretty sure most of the staff would agree that deleting comments simply because you don't like them (which is what this amounts to) is no way for a moderator to act.

[rocket_thumped]

While I may no longer be admin on NUMA, I'm pretty sure most of the staff would agree that deleting comments simply because you don't like them (which is what this amounts to) is no way for a moderator to act.

Firstly, I encourage constructive criticism on my maps, whether it be negative or positive. That is how one becomes a better mapper. That is not why I deleted those comments.

The staff may agree, but they aren't around 99% of the time. Maestro, Sweep, Arachnid and Blute_Tetris are good guys, but they don't actually do anything on numa. southpaw puts a lot of work into numa and he knows I try to do the same.