Change!!!-NUMA-

[Tunco]

I didn't knew where to add this topic,so I decided to add here...It's interesting actually....
What I talk about is that moderators should re-design NUMA.Yes,I know what's going on your mind right now,you think that it's very hard to do it.Actually it's not.When everybody participates this topic and wants a change,moderators should change it.Public can change everything,you know.OK.The main idea is that NUMA should change like this:
1_Everybody MUST rate a map if they click on it.
2_There should be 1 or more hot maps pages.(Like hotmaps 1,2,3,...and so on....)
3_There must be little forum[This one can be]on NUMA,talks about how people can change NUMA on better way.

This is some main changes I can think of.No offense to somebody.It's just my idea.Everybody should write here their ideas so we CAN make something happens.And here is some explanation for my ideas:
1_Why?
Because that lots of people go to the maps and don't rates or comments,and lots of people are not liking it,so it should change.
2_Why?
Because when there is only 1 Hot Maps page,people can't submit maps 3 or 4 times rapidly.When they do that they'll block other people seeing their map[if they've worked hard on it,no one could see it,think it like that.].So if there are more than 1 Hot Maps page,when you submit a map that map can go one of the Hot Maps pages.[Suppose there are 3 Hot Maps pages,it could go to anywhere]so there can be more space to people submit their maps even it is crappy or really-really-awesome.[(but not too much crappy maps...;)]
3_Why?
Because it would be more nice if people can discuss how can they make NUMA a better place ON NUMA.

Hope you liked my ideas,there are some disadvantages of it,I know....Everyone can write here their ideas and let people discuss.And sorry for writing extremely(not so much actually)long.
So go o submit some...Even you can talk about more things....But please don't screw up and write anothe things unrelated to this topic....

[im_bad_at_n]

i kind of agree with you

overall, people need to start rating more. However, rating EVERY map makes no sense. Instead, for every map submitted, the users have to rate at least 3 maps (or more) BEFORE submitting another. This answers the same problem above with your first question and adds the fact that some people do not want to rate some maps due to the fact they are not familiar etc. Check this map for "The_happy_taco" 's reason to skip rating a map. .

the idea of a forum on NUMA is the best i ever heard of.

the idea of multiple hot pages is ok.... but they shound be sorted by category. If a map is rated 5 time to become public, a moderator could look at it and sort it to a specific hot page. For example there could be a hot page of only n-arts or a different one of ddas

[Erik-Player]

Their probably not going to, and your writing is just making you look bad. I really don't like these ideas.

Edit: Good way to say it LittleViking

[LittleViking]

Tunco123:
1. How would that be enforced? What happens if someone opens a map, and then closes the browser window?
2. http://nmaps.net/browse?start=0 | http://nmaps.net/browse?start=10 | http://nmaps.net/browse?start=20 | http://nmaps.net/browse?start=30
3. http://nmaps.uservoice.com/ | http://forum.therealn.com/viewforum.php?f=19

im_bad_at_n:
http://nmaps.net/browse?q=dda | http://nmaps.net/browse?q=n-art

[heatwave]

LV kinda beat me to it, but anyway:

There are, in fact, multiple pages to the Hot Maps list. if you scroll all the way down, on the left side, you'll see a "Next 10" link.
And NUMA was just redesigned. It's not gonna change very dramatically for a while.

[blackbelmoral]

also: if they must rate they might overrate or snipe. besides, they could just exit.

[blackson]

Make good maps.

[blackbelmoral]

kind of ironic, when you look at the map attached to your sig.

[im_bad_at_n]

thats why i said ratings shound not be anomynous

somebody said this ould lead to sniping wars but the moderators could always ban the snipers.

[blackbelmoral]

isnt that a little harsh?
no need to be trigger happy
(or, button mashing happy, in this case)

[im_bad_at_n]

like i say to my brothers, "if your forwarned, then the consequences that were stated are NEVER too harsh."

(well it doesn't really sound like that, i mostly say it when they are doing something that is semi-annoying and tell them to stop or they owe me $. they are forwarned so if they continue, then they have to give me the $.)

as long as the snipers KNOW that their accounts will be banned, then its not harsh to ban them when they snipe.

however, they could be temporarily disabled a few times for a proper warning.
after reading the new rules on the NUMA home page, i think those increments are perfect.

[Condog]

isnt that a little harsh?
no need to be trigger happy
(or, button mashing happy, in this case)

Wait, so you think it's okay to give a map a far lower rating than it deserves, with the sole purpose of lowering that maps overall rating? How is banning people that do that "a little harsh"?

[im_bad_at_n]

isnt that a little harsh?
no need to be trigger happy
(or, button mashing happy, in this case)

Wait, so you think it's okay to give a map a far lower rating than it deserves, with the sole purpose of lowering that maps overall rating? How is banning people that do that "a little harsh"?

thanks condog, it is not harsh. what they are doing is harsher.
overall, my proposal of non-anomynous rating and required ratings of three maps per submitted map makes the most sense.

also, if the moderators rate the "raters" on how good and truthful they rate maps, then is could be a contest to have the best ratings.
It could also have a bigger or smaller effect on total rating as well.

[Kablamo]

Make good maps.

i completely agree, if u want ur maps to get rated and noticed, make good ones.

also if u submit more than 3 maps to a hot maps page, it shows u dont spend much time on ur maps

[Kablamo]

This would also be cool if the rating was by the comment, then u could be reminded. and also if u didnt have to load the page twice would be a plus

[im_bad_at_n]

PEOPLE

when you rate a map, you CAN rate it low if you have a good REASON.
you guys don't seem to get that the comments are great ADVICE givers to the map maker while the RATING box is to tell them EXACTLY what you think about the map.

[Condog]

PEOPLE

when you rate a map, you CAN rate it low if you have a good REASON.
you guys don't seem to get that the comments are great ADVICE givers to the map maker while the RATING box is to tell them EXACTLY what you think about the map.

No the comment box is what you think about the map. The ratings box is how good you think the map is.

You can rate a map low without disclosing the reason. Anonymity is a right, and you can't deny people that. The thing you are looking for is (supposed)accountability.

[Tunco]

Kablamo_Boom'S idea is great actually...

[Kablamo]

i just want it there so people can rate it more. i mean look at my profile. :( it makes me sad

[MattKestrel]

kind of ironic, when you look at the map attached to your sig.

Because blackson's map was obviously a serious attempt -_-

[Spawn of Yanni]

If you force people to vote in any way, they'll just pick a random number if they can't be assed. It doesn't really solve anything.

[origami_alligator]

I didn't knew where to add this topic,so I decided to add here...It's interesting actually....
What I talk about is that moderators should re-design NUMA.Yes,I know what's going on your mind right now,you think that it's very hard to do it.Actually it's not.When everybody participates this topic and wants a change,moderators should change it.Public can change everything,you know.

Moderators have very little control over the design of NUMA and the changes that happen there. Even the admins (except for Arachnid, since he is the creator of the site) have limited power as to the design and setup of the website, if any. Arachnid is the one who makes all the changes, but Arachnid is a busy man with a busy life and cannot pay attention to NUMA like the rest of us do sometimes.

OK.The main idea is that NUMA should change like this:
1_Everybody MUST rate a map if they click on it.
2_There should be 1 or more hot maps pages.(Like hotmaps 1,2,3,...and so on....)
3_There must be little forum[This one can be]on NUMA,talks about how people can change NUMA on better way.

1_I'd be effing annoyed if every time I clicked on a map I had to rate it. Do you know why? Because rating is like voting. If you felt like there were no choices in a political election and you just decided not to vote? This idea sounds like if when one took a free sample they were forced to give their opinion on it. After a while, I'd try a sample of a hotdog or try a new skin lotion and just answer, "It tastes like strawberries." Likewise, I'd just start rating maps 0. Clicking on a map and playing a map are two different things as well. I look closer at many maps that I do not play.
2_I've suggested more Hot Maps page options before but your idea doesn't work. What if someone just submitted 12 maps and had 4 maps on 3 Hot Maps pages? The logic of that doesn't seem right.
3_We have this forum. NUMA itself is a separate entity from this place, though it shares much of the same community. I'm sure Arachnid has spent enough time here to realize that this forum is essentially the forum for all things NUMA.

This is some main changes I can think of.No offense to somebody.It's just my idea.Everybody should write here their ideas so we CAN make something happens.And here is some explanation for my ideas:
1_Why?
Because that lots of people go to the maps and don't rates or comments,and lots of people are not liking it,so it should change.
2_Why?
Because when there is only 1 Hot Maps page,people can't submit maps 3 or 4 times rapidly.When they do that they'll block other people seeing their map[if they've worked hard on it,no one could see it,think it like that.].So if there are more than 1 Hot Maps page,when you submit a map that map can go one of the Hot Maps pages.[Suppose there are 3 Hot Maps pages,it could go to anywhere]so there can be more space to people submit their maps even it is crappy or really-really-awesome.[(but not too much crappy maps...;)]
3_Why?
Because it would be more nice if people can discuss how can they make NUMA a better place ON NUMA.

1_If you're not getting rates or comments, you can rate/comment other maps in these threads and hope to get rates/comments in return: Map Rating Thread...Map Commenting Thread
2_See: 2_ (above)
3_Like I said, this forum does just fine. If you want a place to discuss NUMA then this would be it because I doubt NUMA will ever host its own forum.

So go o submit some...Even you can talk about more things....But please don't screw up and write anothe things unrelated to this topic....

So for the last week I have had these peanuts that I bought in my room and the bag has just been open the whole time. I'm a little hesitant to try one now that they've been sitting out so long, because I think they might not taste as good, but they are peanuts and peanuts are delicious. I might try a few tomorrow when I wake up. Also, I'm hoping to go extremely crazy this weekend, so if I start making off-topic posts I've probably gone crazy.

@kablamo_boom:
I would LOVE for the rating thing to be down by the comment box. It just emphasizes comments more, without emphasizing ratings more. And people could still simply rate without leaving a comment, but maybe they'd be more inclined to leave a comment, which says MUCH MUCH MORE than a rate ever could. If this were the case, the comment box would probably need to be above the comments made on the map already, so that you don't have to scroll to the bottom of the page just to rate a map.

@im_bad_at_n:
NO.
First, I don't want to have to move maps that have received 5 ratings, being a moderator of NUMA and all. If NUMA would do it automatically, then fine, but even then the whole system of your first post in this thread just sounds annoying. You can make search terms that say "-nart -dda" and you will not see any maps marked nart or dda.
Second, anonymous ratings are the only way people would ever rate. Voting systems in general are best done anonymously. Sure, we could just take cover during any sniping wars and ban all the snipers. How appealing do you think NUMA would be if we had to ban people regularly? How fun do you think it would be if a simple rating could have someone give all of your maps a 0 because they didn't like what they saw? My thoughts are that NUMA would have people packing up their maps and moving to a place like Gforce20's Alternative Archive in a hurry.
Third, I've given up on rating maps so telling me that I have to rate 3 maps every time I submit a map doesn't jive with me. I may just as well stop submitting maps. Instead I favourite maps now and leave a comment when I do to let people know that I thought their map was special in some way. In some ways I think it means more than a rating because it's more personal. It says, "I liked this map so much I want to be able to look back later and play it again sometime," rather than, "I liked this map. It was fun to play for the moment and may even enjoy it should I happen to stumble upon it randomly one day."
Fourth, and this has been said before, forcing me to rate a map is forcing me to give whatever rate I want just so I can submit a map. I may as well give 3 maps a zero in rapid-fire succession and then submit my own map as though nothing happened in the previous 30 seconds.

MONSTER POST ENDED

[Tunco]

I didn't wrote number 2 beacuse I can't get any rates...I mean lots of people can't get any rate,and yes the ideas are bad,I'm just saying if we can discuss how make things better and accept at some point,a change would be good.So don't get it wrong....

[Tunco]

Sorry I wroted wrong,,,,,I know 2nd one is a mistake....

[im_bad_at_n]

"thanks" for attacking me and everyone else it seems like. comments are worth more to me than ratings. However, maybe the comments for ratings is ok, just confusing,

can you describe it more?