Removal of featured map status

[a happy song]

I've been e-mailed once or twice about my reviews, and I took what was said to heart and tried to make better reviews. So threats do work, probably better than suspension, with those of a demeanor akin to mine. Just sayin'.

You're the minority, I'm afraid. I find the process cleaner this way, anyway. Less faff.

Usually...

[Destiny]

i, for one, do not have a problem with kk's reviews.

[Evil_Sire]

The threat of losing a position within the community is more effective than completely removing their status.

In my experience as admin, that is simply not the case, sorry. People respond much better in these situations when you give them a little incentive to change. Merely threatening with revokes/disables hardly ever works. On NUMA, at least.

I used to warn people for spamming maps. 7 times out of ten, the warning would be ignored.
Instead now I suspend the offending account for a couple of days. 7 times out of ten the offense isn't repeated.

I used to email inactive reviewers asking them if they could become more active, I hardly got any responses.
Now I reovke status. Every now and them I recieve an email asking to be reinstated, but for the most part nothing is said.

I used to email those reviewers who were slipping in quality of content and request they step up their game. That didn't seem to be effective.
Now I revoke status and ask for them to re-apply.
On the couple of occasions I've done this, the applications sent in weren't up to standard, and we weeded out those who couldn't keep up much more efficiently (this is the first time such a hoo-ha has been heard).

I repeat: All kk has to do is stop being feeling so bitter, take a deep breath, and submit a couple of quality reviews to me and all will be well.

I had no clue when you took my status away. You simply disabled godenAtor and were done with it.

There was no threat, I knew my quality of reviews weren't great, but I didn't lke just being cheated out of my position like that.

There was no email, PM or comment on it either (that I know of), you just simply revoked it.

[wolfgang]

Haha, abuse of power we all cry, the third reich is rising once more. Honestly the punishment is so neglible it is seems absurd to get up in arms about it. As atob said, if you are good enough for the priviledge then you should have been writing quality reviews, and you fully have to oppurtunity to redeem yourself.

[Evil_Sire]

Haha, abuse of power we all cry, the third reich is rising once more. Honestly the punishment is so neglible it is seems absurd to get up in arms about it. As atob said, if you are good enough for the priviledge then you should have been writing quality reviews, and you fully have to oppurtunity to redeem yourself.

Most likely a scornful PM will pop up in my inbox saying

"you have been disabled, idiot, I cant re-instate your reviewer status."

or

"bwahahahaha, you call that a review? It is shit, total shit, like the rest."

This is from my personal experience on other forums.

Where I was also...

abrasive.

[a happy song]

There was no threat, I knew my quality of reviews weren't great, but I didn't lke just being cheated out of my position like that.

There was no email, PM or comment on it either (that I know of), you just simply revoked it.

You cheated yourself out of the position when you made that god-awful Princess Diana reference. A certain amount of common sense is required when you're given responsibility. That you can't see this already is exactly the reason you failed as a reviewer.

Stop feeling so hard done by, seriously, stop it. You're making me type at you in idioms and I HATE idioms.

[kkstrong]

atob, the point is, we aren't telepathic. To be a good mod, you have to keep your ommunity informed when you do something drastic, don't just go do it...

[Evil_Sire]

atob, the point is, we aren't telepathic. To be a good mod, you have to keep your ommunity informed when you do something drastic, don't just go do it...

QFE.

atob: You didn't tell my that I wasn't supposed to say things like that, so I just wrote it how I felt like writing it, I don't see what there is to bitch about.

And if you hate typing in idioms, well too bad. I don't like saying a completely obvious point, when you are an admin and should know it, nor talking to an admin like they are an idiot.

[Spawn of Yanni]

atob: You didn't tell my that I wasn't supposed to say things like that, so I just wrote it how I felt like writing it, I don't see what there is to bitch about.

In the same way you shouldn't say "she was smashed up against a wall and bleeding like Princess Diana" in general freaking speech, you shouldn't say that kind of stuff in a map review.

[a happy song]

atob: You didn't tell my that I wasn't supposed to say things like that, so I just wrote it how I felt like writing it, I don't see what there is to bitch about.

If you need this kind of thing spelt out for you, then there's you've no business being on the staff roster. Stop blaming your shortcomings on others, take a step back and use these opportunities to learn and grow. Seriously.

if you hate typing in idioms, well too bad. I don't like saying a completely obvious point, when you are an admin and should know it, nor talking to an admin like they are an idiot

You actually believe yourself, don't you?

For inexperienced forum goers, there are the rules and FAQs, it's not the job of the staff to hold your hand and guide you through your time here.

You really need to start taking responsibility for your actions and stop blaming the world for your ineptness to learn.

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PS: Exactly, Yanni. Thank you.

[Nexx]

atob, the point is, we aren't telepathic. To be a good mod, you have to keep your ommunity informed when you do something drastic, don't just go do it...

It's ironic that you lead in with "the point is", because that hasn't been the point for most of this thread. The point was originally "is it within his right to do this?", and then it was "shouldn't you tell the user before you revoke their privileges?". But I'm just being difficult.

I agree that he should have given you his reasons in the PM, or at least offered them more quickly in this thread. I have never been a site mod or anything, but I imagine that when you do something like disable a privilege for a user (especially a well-known user), you should be prepared to explain yourself.

But at this point, atob has already explained himself. We would do well to tell him to explain himself more quickly next time, but other than that, it seems about time to move on from this situation.

[a happy song]

We would do well to tell him to explain himself more quickly next time.

This matter was never meant to be public, I don't have to explain myself to any of you regarding a matter that is private between me and another member. The only reason I've done so is that hardly any of you had the ability to reason for yourselves why the action was taken.

Efficiency. Not a punishment. Nothing personal. Get over it. Solution has been offered from the start. No need for this. Etc...

Seriously, please don't make me start quoting my own posts at you again.

I would also like to point out that KK hasn't yet sent the two reviews that will get his position back. This leads me to believe he cares more about his petty little crusade than he does the actual position. But then, this kind of lust for power has always been apparent in his nature. It's why he failed as a member of staff in the first place.

I know I'm shooting low there, but I really am fed up of his attitude now.

[Nexx]

We would do well to tell him to explain himself more quickly next time.

This matter was never meant to be public, I don't have to explain myself to any of you regarding a matter that is private between me and another member.

I actually meant you should explain it to the user when you PM them. I think it would make a world of difference to the attitude of the PM, and in any case it maintains the ideal of transparency.

I used the world "earlier" as shorthand to include this case because once it becomes public, then you really should explain it, even though you feel understandably annoyed that it became public at all.

The only reason I've done so is that hardly any of you had the ability to reason for yourselves why the action was taken.

Most of us are not mods, and I think a fair amount of us would respond to warnings as southie and gloomp have indicated. So I think you're being a bit unfair there, expecting us to understand something you only learned through experience as a mod.

Seriously, please don't make me start quoting my own posts at you again.

At me? o_O I'm on your side, and I think pretty much everyone understands and accepts your actions at this point. In my mind this situation has been resolved and people should be calming down and moving on. I apologize if my previous post came off poorly.

[a happy song]

Well, I'll definitely be clearer with my intentions in the future. Anyway, we're going in circles here. I've said all that I wanted/needed to say.

No (really) hard feelings are involved, so don't worry about that kind of bullshit :)

[Evil_Sire]

Well, I'll definitely be clearer with my intentions in the future. Anyway, we're going in circles here. I've said all that I wanted/needed to say.

No (really) hard feelings are involved, so don't worry about that kind of bullshit :)

No hard feelings taken, sorry if the way I say things sounds whiney. It's just my way of talking.

[Exüberance]

i thought PM's were personal :/

QFE

[Radium]

Well I feel atob's actions were a bit harsh but I have to agree with him; kk's reviews haven't really been up to par.

[Turtle]

I don't see what the argument is, or what the problem is. At all.
From what I've read, all kk has to do is submit good reviews to become a reviewer again, so his life won't change at all. The only difference is now his reviews have to actually be good. It can't be harsh, because the only difference is one which should have been there in the first place; a decent review.

...that said, I haven't made a review in a while, so hippocracy arises in a sense. But what happened to the maps I reviewed? I haven't seen them featured, and I dunno how to even get them featured.

[spudzalot]

KK you should not have made this thread.

:/

[ska]

OK - atob can be abrasive sometimes, but ususually it is for a reason, pariah is not the type of guy to slice and dice for no reaon, besides, it's his call not yours, he has given you an option to submit a couple more maps, and if they're good, I'm sure you could be re-instated. Hell, even I had a crack at reviewing, he liked my first but not so much my 2nd. I'll just try again. No hard feelings ;)

[Riobe]

I don't see what the argument is, or what the problem is. At all.
From what I've read, all kk has to do is submit good reviews to become a reviewer again, so his life won't change at all. The only difference is now his reviews have to actually be good. It can't be harsh, because the only difference is one which should have been there in the first place; a decent review.

...that said, I haven't made a review in a while, so hippocracy arises in a sense. But what happened to the maps I reviewed? I haven't seen them featured, and I dunno how to even get them featured.

atob doesn't put the reviews you submit to him in the queue (which doesn't exist ATM) himself. You have to go to the maps you reviewed and put the review there, and then submit it. OF course, it'll go straight to the featured maps page though.

[Pikman]

atob's pm

Your reviews are of an increasingly low standard.

The last two (the current and the one I deleted), would certainly not have gained you the position had you used them for your application. The writing is messy and the sentence structure is difficult to read. They're certainly not up to the standard I expect.

http://nmaps.net/50475
error: 'becuase'

The one I deleted had two spelling errors, too.

Aside from the fact that I find your writing style lacking, If you can't be bothered to check for such obvious errors, then I really don't see how you're qualified to write reviews.

I'll be more than happy to reinstate you if you can offer me a couple more reviews, well written and without errors. Use an online spell checker if you're really unsure.

Oh, I see. Then you (atob) should remove mintnut, too, because of this grammatical atrocity. See, if you're going to harass reviewers and remove them from "the list" for a few little errors, it makes me disgusted I took the position in the first place.

This matter was never meant to be public, I don't have to explain myself to any of you regarding a matter that is private between me and another member. The only reason I've done so is that hardly any of you had the ability to reason for yourselves why the action was taken.

It's kkstrong's right to make this topic because he felt he was being unfairly treated by a NUMA administrator who was picky about spelling and punctuation. He left it to us to decide whether the reprimand was deserved or uncalled for. You aren't exactly that skilled with grammar yourself, as the review for 7/23/08 states (with errors in bold)

Usually when you stumble upon the 'race' tag, you will be presented with something that has been shaded in a loop-by-numbers colouring book, with a crayon and a seemingly masochistic reverence for the lines.

As scary as that may seem, be warier still of the race that lies in the bushes outside your window at night, in full camouflage gear and a rulebook wrapped around a wooden plank. With rusty nails. Dipped in acid.

'Grievance Spoke' is surely one of the most devious of them all. Be warned: Here is a perfect example of how to 'race' with less 'base'. — astheoceansblue

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1. In formal writing, contractions should not be used.*
2. Passive voice is a no-no.*
3. Two spaces follow a quote, and the word following the quote is always capitalized.
* Corrected by Microsoft Word.
You may have a showy advanced vocabulary, but as you can see, everyone ignores simple grammar concepts that anybody would be marked down for in grade school. If you wouldn't be bothered to correct them, Mr. Perfection, then no one would.

I would also like to point out that KK hasn't yet sent the two reviews that will get his position back. This leads me to believe he cares more about his petty little crusade than he does the actual position. But then, this kind of lust for power has always been apparent in his nature. It's why he failed as a member of staff in the first place.

I understand; kk should just submit his two reviews for scrutiny and analysis to regain his title. However, in fairness, atob should not be the one to read them. kk, maybe you should just drop this if you want to be a reviewer again.

But what "lust for power"? His argument isn't about power; it's because of your misuse of power, or so he believes. You described removing him from the list as simply unchecking a box; it's not that simple to recheck the box. Trust is hard to gain and easy to lose, and I think you and kk have each lost some through these proceedings.

Well, I'll definitely be clearer with my intentions in the future. Anyway, we're going in circles here. I've said all that I wanted/needed to say.

No (really) hard feelings are involved, so don't worry about that kind of bullshit :)

atob, the point is, we aren't telepathic. To be a good mod, you have to keep your ommunity informed when you do something drastic, don't just go do it...

You (atob) were clear with your intentions, but I believe kk should have been given a little "advance notice" ahead of time. Not all reviewers can maintain a standard of quality, but they're the people who usually aren't brainless and would be able to shape up, given a warning. Because you didn't think of this in advance, your decisions - and possibly your status - could be in question.

kk, this isn't drastic. I think the people who read your reviews might have seen this coming.

I know I'm shooting low there, but I really am fed up of his attitude now.

He has no attitude at all; he is just seeking answers, which is annoying you. Persistence is not necessarily attitude.

[a happy song]

Oh, I see. Then you (atob) should remove mintnut, too, because of this grammatical atrocity. See, if you're going to harass reviewers and remove them from "the list" for a few little errors, it makes me disgusted I took the position in the first place.

Actually, kk had not only made such obvious spelling errors multiple times in the past, but also in future queued reviews. Users awarded this position should not allow such consistent laziness.

Disgusted? Please, stall the melodrama. This was a silly situation that could have been sorted without any of this carying on.

It's kkstrong's right to make this topic because he felt he was being unfairly treated by a NUMA administrator who was picky about spelling and punctuation. He left it to us to decide whether the reprimand was deserved or uncalled for.

Again, no. Private Messages are just that. I've nothing against KK opening a topic about being treated unfairly.

You aren't exactly that skilled with grammar yourself

Woah there horsey! KK's status was removed for consistent misspelling and a lazy style.

All we're asking for is a little thought and imagination, not Oxford standard

You may have a showy advanced vocabulary, but as you can see, everyone ignores simple grammar concepts that anybody would be marked down for in grade school. If you wouldn't be bothered to correct them, Mr. Perfection, then no one would.

There's no need for the condescending nature at all. KK failed to keep up to the standard that was clearly laid out to him when he received the position initially, that's all.

I understand; kk should just submit his two reviews for scrutiny and analysis to regain his title. However, in fairness, atob should not be the one to read them. kk, maybe you should just drop this if you want to be a reviewer again.

I shouldn't why? I'm the one who manages the reviewer roster. It's my place to review the quality and take action accordingly.

You described removing him from the list as simply unchecking a box; it's not that simple to recheck the box. Trust is hard to gain and easy to lose, and I think you and kk have each lost some through these proceedings.

It's just as simple to recheck the box. All that KK needed to do was show that he could submit focused reviews. Very, very simple.

Not all reviewers can maintain a standard of quality

Then they shouldn't - and won't be reviewers. As explained, the occasional mistake is fine, but consistent laziness won't be abided.

Because you didn't think of this in advance, your decisions - and possibly your status - could be in question.

You're cute, you know that?

He has no attitude at all; he is just seeking answers, which is annoying you. Persistence is not necessarily attitude.

He clearly has a hard done-by attitude here. Your entire post smacks of someone attempting to assert some kind of dominance of ego rather than support or actual concern.

Stop with the smart arse bullshit and get off my case, please. You've clearly no idea the amount of work and effort I put into maintaining NUMA; a petty little situation that could easily been avoided really doesn't need your expert attention, thank you.

[乳头的早餐谷物]

If I may mediate:

At the start of this topic, kkstrong felt removing his featuring rights was overly harsh for making a few mistakes. It turns out atob doesn't think it's a big deal, and he explained that it's not at all a permanent thing.

You (atob) were clear with your intentions, but I believe kk should have been given a little "advance notice" ahead of time. Not all reviewers can maintain a standard of quality, but they're the people who usually aren't brainless and would be able to shape up, given a warning.

It was essentially meant to be a warning:

I used to email those reviewers who were slipping in quality of content and request they step up their game. That didn't seem to be effective.
Now I revoke status and ask for them to re-apply.

Of course, many people didn't realise this, and atob has promised to be clearer with his intentions in the future:

Well, I'll definitely be clearer with my intentions in the future. Anyway, we're going in circles here. I've said all that I wanted/needed to say.

No (really) hard feelings are involved, so don't worry about that kind of bullshit :)

Pikman's objections would have been relevant at the start of things, but the issue was cleared up some time ago. Unless there actually is something I've missed that remains unresolved, let's not restart this whole thing.