The Signature Tournament; Finals Judging Now!

[blackbelmoral]

yeah it does.
aybe your firewall.
wpc blocks my view of t3chnos and izzys though

[origami_alligator]

Can we please get the judging finished? I would love to start the next round if only you guys would get things together.

blackbelmoral, if you still can't see some of the images, let me know and I'll upload them to my photobucket for you so we can continue this.

[blackbelmoral]

i sent him my judging on tuesday

[Universezero]

esay's doesn't work.

pixelshack.com doesn't work for me at all.

[esay]

esay's doesn't work.

pixelshack.com doesn't work for me at all.

Oh well, too bad.
I might upload it somewhere else later..

[Universezero]

esay's doesn't work.

pixelshack.com doesn't work for me at all.

Oh well, too bad.
I might upload it somewhere else later..

Cool.

Nice avatar, btw.

[Kablamo]

Sigh, I hate Judging, cause i hate telling people they are out.

judging:
Overall looks: x/10
Use of theme: x/9
Use of technique: x/5


pawz:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

uz:
Overall looks: 10/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 4/5

esay:
Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

daikenai:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 5/5

Techno

Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 5/9
Use of technique: 4/5

Izzy

Overall looks: 8/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 3/5

[Universezero]

Sigh, I hate Judging, cause i hate telling people they are out.

judging:
Overall looks: x/10
Use of theme: x/9
Use of technique: x/5


pawz:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

uz:
Overall looks: 10/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 4/5

esay:
Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

daikenai:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 5/5

Techno

Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 5/9
Use of technique: 4/5

Izzy

Overall looks: 8/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 3/5

Hmmm...

Funnily enough, I don't think this tournament is going to express the true best imager in the community.

[esay]

Sigh, I hate Judging, cause i hate telling people they are out.

judging:
Overall looks: x/10
Use of theme: x/9
Use of technique: x/5


pawz:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

uz:
Overall looks: 10/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 4/5

esay:
Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

daikenai:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 5/5

Techno

Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 5/9
Use of technique: 4/5

Izzy

Overall looks: 8/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 3/5

Hmmm...

Funnily enough, I don't think this tournament is going to express the true best imager in the community.

I agree. Sorry, but i think the marking key is bullshit.
It should be something like the following:

Asthetics: x/10
Use of theme: x/1 (if <1 you are disqualified)
Use of Tequnique: x/1 (if <1 you are disqualified)
X factor: x/10

X factor being things that are not covered in the others (eg text relevance, relevance to person, inner meaning etc.).

Ah well, DiaKenKai's was probably better than mine anyways. Cyaz.

[Kablamo]

Ok, Ok

Im sorry that everyone is getting pissed and if there are different rules you want state them now

Also perhaps i will make another sig tournament, or someone else will, but in the meantime please stop yelling at me. this does not determine who is the best sig maker i probably will make a better one, with rules defined better.

Im sorry if you lost

and im sorry that im not really good at doing stuff

*sighs

Besides from that lets get round 3 underway :D

[esay]

Ok, Ok

Im sorry that everyone is getting pissed and if there are different rules you want state them now

Also perhaps i will make another sig tournament, or someone else will, but in the meantime please stop yelling at me. this does not determine who is the best sig maker i probably will make a better one, with rules defined better.

Im sorry if you lost

and im sorry that im not really good at doing stuff

*sighs

Besides from that lets get round 3 underway :D

Well then i think it will be fitting if you changed the Winner's sig bars to something else, like:
'Winner of making Specialized sigs without using your imagination, and doing exactly as i say'
or
'Best at following instructions'
or
'Most Conformist'

[Kablamo]

y did you say that?

:'(

[esay]

I'm just saying, if you don't think the rules are best for the most 'Pro Sig Maker,' then the sig bars shouldn't say so.

[Universezero]

Ok, Ok

Im sorry that everyone is getting pissed and if there are different rules you want state them now

Also perhaps i will make another sig tournament, or someone else will, but in the meantime please stop yelling at me. this does not determine who is the best sig maker i probably will make a better one, with rules defined better.

Im sorry if you lost

and im sorry that im not really good at doing stuff

*sighs

Besides from that lets get round 3 underway :D

Well then i think it will be fitting if you changed the Winner's sig bars to something else, like:
'Winner of making Specialized sigs without using your imagination, and doing exactly as i say'
or
'Best at following instructions'
or
'Most Conformist'

:O

Bit harsh.

[Izzy]

This judging is really messed up.

[Kablamo]

well then please ask wat you want to be rated on, only manus told me last time, so i followed his advice. If there is one you want please tell me!!!

[origami_alligator]

esay, please stop being what I can only describe as an ass.

@ anybody who is questioning the results:
obviously there are prejudices set in place about who is "best image maker" in the community.
In any style of competition, even the presupposed "Best Image Maker" can be cut out of the running simply because the judges found that the person going up against the "Best Image Maker" had a better sig for that round. FOR THAT ROUND.
I think that the results are fine. In fact, they are more than fine because this is kablamo_bloom's contest.

All in all, I'm not complaining and T3chno isn't complaining (I can't tell if esay is complaining or not) and I wish good luck to UZ, Daikenkai and Izzy.

[Universezero]

...and I wish good luck to UZ, Daikenkai and Izzy.

Thanks man.

Also, Kablamo, I assume you meant 'Absurdity'?

[T3chno]

esay, please stop being what I can only describe as an ass.

@ anybody who is questioning the results:
obviously there are prejudices set in place about who is "best image maker" in the community.
In any style of competition, even the presupposed "Best Image Maker" can be cut out of the running simply because the judges found that the person going up against the "Best Image Maker" had a better sig for that round. FOR THAT ROUND.
I think that the results are fine. In fact, they are more than fine because this is kablamo_bloom's contest.

All in all, I'm not complaining and T3chno isn't complaining (I can't tell if esay is complaining or not) and I wish good luck to UZ, Daikenkai and Izzy.

Fo' sho'. Just finish this contest clean. Changing judging now is a bit late and won't exactly be fair (but what in life is?).

Good luck guys.


Oh, and Manus, would you mind me opening my own sig contest?

[Kablamo]

esay, please stop being what I can only describe as an ass.

@ anybody who is questioning the results:
obviously there are prejudices set in place about who is "best image maker" in the community.
In any style of competition, even the presupposed "Best Image Maker" can be cut out of the running simply because the judges found that the person going up against the "Best Image Maker" had a better sig for that round. FOR THAT ROUND.
I think that the results are fine. In fact, they are more than fine because this is kablamo_bloom's contest.

All in all, I'm not complaining and T3chno isn't complaining (I can't tell if esay is complaining or not) and I wish good luck to UZ, Daikenkai and Izzy.

Fo' sho'. Just finish this contest clean. Changing judging now is a bit late and won't exactly be fair (but what in life is?).

Good luck guys.


Oh, and Manus, would you mind me opening my own sig contest?

:) I'm glad u and Manus aren't yanking my my chain, and in my opinion, please make another sig contest, this time ill enter, and learn from my mistakes. PLEASE! its not fun being yelled at.

[esay]

All in all, I'm not complaining and T3chno isn't complaining (I can't tell if esay is complaining or not)

Well when 2/3 of the winners (the other, we don't know the opinion of), have said that the judging is a bit off, and it's then that you know it is bad..

This judging is really messed up.

Hmmm...

Funnily enough, I don't think this tournament is going to express the true best imager in the community.

And at the risk of sounding like a sore loser, I think I'm complaining...

@ anybody who is questioning the results:
obviously there are prejudices set in place about who is "best image maker" in the community.
In any style of competition, even the presupposed "Best Image Maker" can be cut out of the running simply because the judges found that the person going up against the "Best Image Maker" had a better sig for that round. FOR THAT ROUND.
I think that the results are fine. In fact, they are more than fine because this is kablamo_bloom's contest.

Firstly, Even the person who made the best sig didn't necessarily win.
Secondly, I'm not questioning the results themselves, I'm questioning the way those results were made.
Thirdly, Why are the results 'more than fine,' just because it's kablamo's contest?

[origami_alligator]

Firstly, Even the person who made the best sig didn't necessarily win.
Secondly, I'm not questioning the results themselves, I'm questioning the way those results were made.
Thirdly, Why are the results 'more than fine,' just because it's kablamo's contest?

1. This point is subjective. The person who made the best sig is a personal preference according to the judges. Even if 1 million people considered T3chno's sig to be better than all the other sigs this last round, maybe kablamo and blackbelmoral didn't find it that appealing.

2. Personally I find that this contest could have used a better setup to begin with. But nobody questioned how we were being judged and so I guess it is partially the contestants fault for not asking about that first before we started into this mess. If a second one of these is held in the future I expect it to be a bit more constructed than this contest has been so far. But it's a learning process, competitions are. I remember the first competition I ever held...
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... =17693&hl=

3. Personal preference plays a big part in the judging process and who the artist is can make you give more points to a certain signature author than another. Also, I don't think kablamo and blackbelmoral are really giving the sigs much critique (no offense or anything) which is why everybody got really high scores. Not much anybody can do since we're not running the contest, which is why I say it's more than fine.

[esay]

Firstly, Even the person who made the best sig didn't necessarily win.
Secondly, I'm not questioning the results themselves, I'm questioning the way those results were made.
Thirdly, Why are the results 'more than fine,' just because it's kablamo's contest?

1. This point is subjective. The person who made the best sig is a personal preference according to the judges. Even if 1 million people considered T3chno's sig to be better than all the other sigs this last round, maybe kablamo and blackbelmoral didn't find it that appealing.

2. Personally I find that this contest could have used a better setup to begin with. But nobody questioned how we were being judged and so I guess it is partially the contestants fault for not asking about that first before we started into this mess. If a second one of these is held in the future I expect it to be a bit more constructed than this contest has been so far. But it's a learning process, competitions are. I remember the first competition I ever held...
http://metanet.2.forumer.com/index.php? ... =17693&hl=

3. Personal preference plays a big part in the judging process and who the artist is can make you give more points to a certain signature author than another. Also, I don't think kablamo and blackbelmoral are really giving the sigs much critique (no offense or anything) which is why everybody got really high scores. Not much anybody can do since we're not running the contest, which is why I say it's more than fine.

1. I'm meaning that even if the judges thought it was better, the marking criteria didn't allow you to win.
Look at these results:

esay:
Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

daikenai:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 5/5

As you can see (according to the judges), my sig looked better, even though there was nothing in it, apparently it did.
If it looks the best, fits both criteria near perfectly (again, according to the judges), plus has something to do with the person I'm making it for, i think they should classify it as the better sig.

2. It should be the initiative of the judges to make it better, and besides, it was you who suggested (a more exaggerated version) of the judging style, so it is hardly your place to blame us for it.

3. Sorry, i didn't get that.. it's because they were running the contest that it's more than fine?

[origami_alligator]

1. I'm meaning that even if the judges thought it was better, the marking criteria didn't allow you to win.
Look at these results:

esay:
Overall looks: 9.5/10
Use of theme: 8/9
Use of technique: 5/5

daikenai:
Overall looks: 9/10
Use of theme: 9/9
Use of technique: 5/5

As you can see (according to the judges), my sig looked better, even though there was nothing in it, apparently it did.
If it looks the best, fits both criteria near perfectly (again, according to the judges), plus has something to do with the person I'm making it for, i think they should classify it as the better sig.

2. It should be the initiative of the judges to make it better, and besides, it was you who suggested (a more exaggerated version) of the judging style, so it is hardly your place to blame us for it.

3. Sorry, i didn't get that.. it's because they were running the contest that it's more than fine?

1. I think the main issue here is that the judges aren't seasoned imagers like some of the forum members are *coughmanusincluyet3chnoizzycondogsniperwhereandalotofotherscough* so their level of critique on sigs isn't the same as maybe some of the rest of us. But that's just it, kablamo made this contest and decided to be a judge and so he probably really does think that all of these sigs look awesome. I remember when most every sig I came across on these forums was awesome. But now that I have an idea of what sigs are truly works of art and what sigs just look thrown together I critique things more than I used to. Possibly kablamo will critique sigs more in-depth in the future, but for now I can just expect him to judge these sigs based on how he feels they compare to each other. I can't really complain with that.
I will say that the way these sigs have been judged just seems like we could have no points at all and the judges just decide which one is better overall. I do find it odd that the differences in scores was between 1 point and half a point. Oh well.

2. It's not that I'm blaming anybody, I was just saying that when everybody joined this contest there wasn't any mention of how we were going to be graded so nobody had an idea of the points spread or what we were being judged upon in our sigs. Part of the blame falls on the contestants for not making sure of this important aspect to the contest and part of the blame falls on kablamo for not making that clear beforehand.

3. The first response is sort of an answer to this as well, I think. But basically, in the end we all joined this contest and decided to submit to kablamo's rules and regulations for the contest. If we feel we've been cheated somehow then that's just something to live with and move on from. Like I said, if he holds another one of these I expect it to be better organized and run much better than this has so far. I also expect the judging to be less.... less... uhm... forgiving? I want the judges to actually judge sigs based on what is good and bad and not just what is good.

[T3chno]

Manus has it head-on. esay, you read the rules before entering, and if I recall correctly, the process for judging wasn't put in the first post prior to the contest beginning. That is /our/ fault for not asking.

Kablamo, it's alright, it's your first contest (well, here, of course), and hopefully you learned some new ideas on how to improve here.