Democratic or Republican, and why?

[BNW]

I think this test was a little biased. I know I'm not that libertarian.

On the test that Blizzy posted his picture, my dot was in about the same place.

[Mr__X]

That seems to be pretty accurate.

[Zora_S_Kenneth]

I steer clear of those tests.

And since I don't know what's happening on libertarian side and I can't bypass Obama and vote for Biden directly, I guess I'll just have to reach for that paper bag I was(n't) talking about earlier...

[Creampudding]

I gotta say, even though I cant vote, I've never fully supported a political party, but in the upcomming election I'm not too keen to vote for either Obama or Mccain. They both have ideas I dislike, and I don't really see any one thing that stands out to make me say "oh, well in that case I"ll vote for *****"

[epigone]

Neither. Both parties fall short of my expectations.

[otters]

Republican.

Oh yeah, and why. I don't like Obama's abortion policy.

[Zora_S_Kenneth]

I don't like Obama's abortion policy.

That's it? That's the only reason you DON'T agree with democrats? That's sad. Although I must say, Obama is a bit rougher around the edges than a cat's tongue. So's McCain. That said, one might be wise to ask Dave what views the libertarians have.

[blue_tetris]

Some Republicans call themselves "libertarian" because they think it's the hip word for being a conservative. In truth, Republicans have become big government and low social liberty now. The GOP, yesteryear bastion of hope for those who favored small government and laissez-faire policies, is now spending more than Democrats and curtailing freedoms left and right.

If I have to vote Democrat to get more economic and social liberties, then the decision is pretty clear.

Being libertarian is saying: "Government, stay out of our business and stay out of our businesses."



Not to be confused with anarchy; some folks like to take the libertarian ideal and misconstrue it to mean "The state must be abolished." That's not the case.

[xeronix]

I dont like Obama, nor Mccain... Ive been republican just for the sake of my parents being so, but never the less im not, & neither am i democratic... My views lie where the government is there to protect & serve, not invade innocent. & this year is going to be about nothing other than who can become less hated than the other (aside from those who are nostalgic and such) & i fret that either one that makes it, someone may end up assassinated, based on the mire history of the humans hatred.

[Zora_S_Kenneth]

@You: I agree with everything before the third "&"
Edit: Who the heck is McKaine?

@Our favorite libertarian here (at least mine):
So what you're saying is that libertarians are for less government control over economics especially regarding the stock market? Last time I checked, it was the lack of government intervention and nonexistence of micromanaging limitations that killed the stock market. All well (not).

[blue_tetris]

@Our favorite libertarian here (at least mine):
So what you're saying is that libertarians are for less government control over economics especially regarding the stock market? Last time I checked, it was the lack of government intervention and nonexistence of micromanaging limitations that killed the stock market. All well (not).

You'll want to read what I said in the "US Economy" topic. When you deregulate something which you previously regulated heavily, the market for that industry drops because the firms within that industry are not prepared for self-regulation. It's like keeping a cheetah indoors from birth. That cheetah becomes accustomed to capitivity and not having to get its own food and fend for itself. When you release said cheetah into the wild, it might not do so hot initially. Does this mean that cheetahs don't belong in the wild? Nope. It means the cheetah didn't belong in captivity to begin with.

But, yeah, libertarians are for a free market and a free people. Economic liberties (that is to say, control over your own resources) are equivalent to all other liberties (like control over your own body, mind, etc.).

[otters]

I don't like Obama's abortion policy.

That's it? That's the only reason you DON'T agree with democrats?

Yeah, pretty much.
One huge, at the very least IMMORAL policy + words, but no actions = nuh-uh. Sad? No.

[blue_tetris]

I was watching Sarah Palin take the question: "Do you think that abortion should be illegal in the case of rape?" It's a yes or no question. My answer is "no" and her answer is "yes". If asked, I would say "no". If asked, she should say "yes".

But instead, she said, "Well, first, I'd make sure to counsel the child to convince her to choose life." When asked again, more directly, she just repeated herself. There's this dialogue that doesn't take place because, I think, people fear that they're wrong. She said she'd counsel the child to "choose" life, which I think suggests she believes that the child would have a choice. So the answer would be "no". However, she didn't say "no". And she didn't say "yes".

I think if each person were forced just to give yes or no answers on how they view issues, they wouldn't quite know what to say to anything.



I think both sides do this, to some extent, but I think that the Republicans do it much more. It's a way to mince words because they fear their opinions don't actually sound good spoken aloud. Republicans have become very divergent on all the things that the fundamentalist right believes in, and they have nothing to stand on if not their sense of togetherness and shared ideals.

[Zora_S_Kenneth]

You'll want to read what I said in the "US Economy" topic. When you deregulate something which you previously regulated heavily, the market for that industry drops because the firms within that industry are not prepared for self-regulation.

It's Zora. First of all. I had to change it after some business on the IRC.

So where is this drop in regulations? Or that post of yours? In any case, I might as well move on before I accidentally change the topic of this thread.

I was watching Sarah Palin take the question: "Do you think that abortion should be illegal in the case of rape?" It's a yes or no question. My answer is "no" and her answer is "yes". If asked, I would say "no". If asked, she should say "yes".

But instead, she said, "Well, first, I'd make sure to counsel the child to convince her to choose life." When asked again, more directly, she just repeated herself. There's this dialogue that doesn't take place because, I think, people fear that they're wrong. She said she'd counsel the child to "choose" life, which I think suggests she believes that the child would have a choice. So the answer would be "no". However, she didn't say "no". And she didn't say "yes".

What? I think a few of us here would appreciate if you defined "she" in every case, because you almost seem to contradict yourself several times here, unless there is something I don't understand. But aside from that, I partially agree with your point. Some people are afraid of being incorrect, as as such, will also attempt to disguise the fact that they will put their correctness about what's good for the people over what is really good for the people. Some people even changed what they believe in entirely to make themselves look like they know about what the people need. And then, some people make a blunder, the conformist fulfills his title, and the status of this country plummets. Only people with very few wits and no ability to admit it or the ability to see Russia from the front door of their house in Alaska would attempt to make themselves look better than they actually are.

[rocket_thumped]

I wouldn't associate myself with either party, but if I had to pick one it would be Republican.

[kkstrong]

Today at school we had three people come up and speak to us. One was a republican, another was a democrat, the last was libertarian.

The republican spent the entire time saying that it was not the republicans fault that the country was so screwed up. That is was all the democrats in congress's fault for being so involved in goverment.

The democrat spent the entire time flaming about how terrible of leaders republicans are, and how they refuse to be a part of the government, and only want the titles.

The libertarian spent the entire time saying absolutely nothing, while not tlaking about themselves or any other parties. He spent the whole time speaking about how terrible Bush Was, and how terrible Barack would be, and how as a goverment we should all make friends with foreign traders, to avoid nuclear war.

They were all useless in their own rights. I vote for no parties, however, democrat is a better side to choose in this particular election. I hate how clique it is to say this, but its right, McCain will die and office, and Palin will take over. Do you want Palin as a president?

[blue_tetris]

What? I think a few of us here would appreciate if you defined "she" in every case, because you almost seem to contradict yourself several times here, unless there is something I don't understand. But aside from that, I partially agree with your point. Some people are afraid of being incorrect, as as such, will also attempt to disguise the fact that they will put their correctness about what's good for the people over what is really good for the people. Some people even changed what they believe in entirely to make themselves look like they know about what the people need. And then, some people make a blunder, the conformist fulfills his title, and the status of this country plummets. Only people with very few wits and no ability to admit it or the ability to see Russia from the front door of their house in Alaska would attempt to make themselves look better than they actually are.

I don't fully get what you're saying. I think you imagine I took a side different than what you figured I did, and then attacked that? Or... I dunno. I don't get it.

The thing is, people have opinions on these issues. If they distract from their opinions without giving a forthright answer, one can only assume that even they believe their opinion is wrong. Or, moreover, they see their consituency as being fallible, and that's something they can't risk.



Also, kkstrong, I don't think that guy is a "libertarian". I think he's a hipstery douche that wants to denounce everyone else for everything they think, just to seem a cut above the pack. Also, re-read what you wrote, it's a bit weird. You first mentioned the libertarian said absolutely nothing, then went on to say everything he talked about.

[kkstrong]

What I meant by that was that he said nothing of real content ever. At least the republican went on to say why they other was bad, at least.

He was the libertarian "head-guy" (his words) for our city. He couldn't put a thought together, and was a terrible orator.

If I were to vote anyone for our city mayor, I would very quickly have voted the Democrat it, not because of my obvious bias to the democratic party, but rather becuase she was the only one who say. The republican was only there to clear his party's name. He started and ended every sentence with some form of "The current siuation is not the republican's fault"

I will be posting a link to the video of the speakers, then you all can form your own opinions on them. However, it may be some days before it is uploaded and put online.

[blue_tetris]

So you're saying that, because of this instance, you are entitled to presume that libertarians don't have content to the things they say, but Republicans do? If you aren't trying to say this, what point are you trying to make about libertarianism based upon this example?

I have good reasons why both Democrats and Republicans are bad, and plenty of reasons why each are good as well. Have I, as a liberal libertarian, not stated my case well enough? I feel like I might have made threads or posts about this before, enough to prove I'm not like your schoolfriends. Maybe I've not done that.

[A1cAviation]

I'm not old enough to vote, i'm only 14 years old but I like politics a lot. I'm going to have to go with Democrat because I believe that Obama's word of change is really true. He's going to get all those troops out of Iraq and make a universal health care system so everyone can go to the hospital. On the other hand, I think that if McCain gets the spot he'll just screw America over even more than Bush did. He's too old, we need a younger president because McCain is stuck in the past and doesn't see the future. That's my explanation of why I chose Democrat.

[xeronix]

& how well do you think obama is going to be able to execute his little plans? & younger is not always better. Just because of "change", really if he goes into office, its not like things will all change for the good nor is the possibility of sending all the troops home. I dont know, sounds iffy to me... But McCain is no better.

[Atilla]

Several Australians seem to be socially liberal and slightly left of centre. Me, KA and maestro should start a party.






Also, I think that the political compass test is better than the other one (mostly because the second is so damn short it misses a lot of things), even though some of the questions are a bit wonky.

I like that the morality one has longer explanations for what they're taking each response to indicate - several of my responses would have been different without them, because I interpreted the options in a different way to whomever made the quiz.




Anyway, I agree with Kablizzy:

I think being adherent to a single party is silly and counter-intuitive. I'll vote for the best man for the job, regardless of what side he's on.

I don't really like either of the presidential candidates, though I would prefer Obama to McCain.

& younger is not always better.

He's not saying that it is. He said that someone younger is better in this instance because McCain is living in the past.

[otters]

I just find it hard to take Obama and Biden seriously. I mean...a Christian who's really a Muslim, and a guy who tells fourteen lies in a single debate?

[t̷s͢uk̕a͡t͜ư]

I just find it hard to take Obama and Biden seriously.

Sanity check: But you do take them more seriously than the McCain/Palin Republican Circus ticket, right?

[otters]

Edited so you can see what I mean.

Remember, just because someone has different views than you doesn't mean that they're insane.